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Message 227 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 3:29:30 UTC
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Incredible!
The project was left without jobs.

Tasks ready to send 0
Задания обрабатываются 767524

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maybe you'll run a new experiment? At least in test mode.
I have long given you references to assignments

1. wu_500028.rar
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/L6yw/2ezKqyCLj
2. wu_519662.ru
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/K9kL/DNQqRQavL
3. wu_573392.rar
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/GrAJ/uEYmwn5bZ

You wrote that the Assimilator and the Validator were prepared.
The program for processing jobs is ready.
So what's the problem? Why do not you run the experiment?

This is a great experiment! I'm doing it manually.
I get very interesting solutions!

There is no work in the project!
I have a lot of work!

PS. No, no, the work in the project did not end.
Assignments will still be generated.
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Message 228 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 3:42:54 UTC
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here is the program for processing jobs in my experiment
https://progger.info/files/family_mar.exe

Author of the program A. Belyshev.
Jobs are generated by my program.
Of course, tasks are generated by me only for testing.
The amount of calculation in the experiment is very large.

I hope you run this experiment.
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Message 229 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 10:40:41 UTC
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Incredible!
The project was left without jobs.

There is a Formula Boinc sprint running at ODLK1 for 3 days:
http://formula-boinc.org/sprint.py?sprint=7&year=2018

From the scores so far, the sprint seems to cause about double the participation compared to normal days. But this is only a rough estimation, because the sprint site started counting credits just 6 hours ago.
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Message 230 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 13:05:56 UTC - in response to Message 229.  
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There is a Formula Boinc sprint running at ODLK1 for 3 days:
http://formula-boinc.org/sprint.py?sprint=7&year=2018

Oh! Great.
Thanks for the info.
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Message 231 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 17:06:12 UTC
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Double post. Server seems slow, prob due to FB Sprint.
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Message 232 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 17:06:15 UTC

Enigma was two weeks ago. It has a GPU app but its a major increase in production for a project if there is work.
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Message 233 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 19:41:31 UTC - in response to Message 229.  

Incredible!
The project was left without jobs.

There is a Formula Boinc sprint running at ODLK1 for 3 days:
http://formula-boinc.org/sprint.py?sprint=7&year=2018

From the scores so far, the sprint seems to cause about double the participation compared to normal days. But this is only a rough estimation, because the sprint site started counting credits just 6 hours ago.


I did not know about this spring onto ODLK1 before, so server was set optimal with the current past user running it.
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Message 234 - Posted: 8 Jun 2018, 20:47:17 UTC

The schedule follows the Formula 1 racing schedule. When there is a race on a weekend there is a Sprint challenge for 3 days. 1 day prior the project is announced. These are the available projects that typically have consistent work.
http://formula-boinc.org/sprint.py?lang=&year=2018
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Message 236 - Posted: 9 Jun 2018, 12:43:42 UTC
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It is unfortunate that the project was not ready for competition.
Administrators were not able to react quickly and generate new jobs.
As a result, the whole competition will pass with no assignments. Many participants of the competition did not receive a single job.

I hope that at least after the contest the jobs will be generated and the project will not be stopped.

I want to apologize to the participants of the competition.
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Message 237 - Posted: 9 Jun 2018, 14:21:48 UTC - in response to Message 236.  

No apology necessary. It is very unfortunate that Sebastien, who runs multiple sites, Formula BOINC, WuProp, the LAF forums, etc etc would do this to another project. I really respect what Sebastien does for the BOINC community, but dropping a 4 day major challenge on a project without notifying them is very poor execution of Formula BOINC.

Thank you for trying but we understand that without notice there is very little that you can do!
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Message 238 - Posted: 9 Jun 2018, 16:21:52 UTC - in response to Message 237.  

No apology necessary. It is very unfortunate that Sebastien, who runs multiple sites, Formula BOINC, WuProp, the LAF forums, etc etc would do this to another project. I really respect what Sebastien does for the BOINC community, but dropping a 4 day major challenge on a project without notifying them is very poor execution of Formula BOINC.

Thank you for trying but we understand that without notice there is very little that you can do!



Yes, without a notify I cannot modify actual workunit generation to increase his rate (need to recompile the generator that it is in another work environments actually).

Server generates workunits with his buffer that goes empty in less time that was expected.
In this case a good solution before starting of competition was to double a workunit task (so one workunit will require double time to get a solution).
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Message 239 - Posted: 9 Jun 2018, 16:56:39 UTC

Yes, it is unfortunate that Formula Boinc (still) runs the sprints without consulting the project admins...

Indeed it looks like sprint participants, together with the "baseline" contributors of ODLK1 (mostly Gridcoin), pull the tasks as fast as the project server can generate them.

Sprint stats from today, 16:00 UTC = 36 hours into the sprint, show that all teams which are tracked by the Formula Boinc site reached a combined production of 11 million points (that is, 7.3 million per day). This is way up from ODLK1's normal days which see about ~3.3 million points/day.
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Message 240 - Posted: 9 Jun 2018, 20:09:29 UTC
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Typically on the FB forum there is a thread about the projects available each year. If ODLK, ODLK, or Rakesearch is not want to be included you could ask to be removed. Typically most are included unless there is sporadic work. Even if there is work here, the bandwidth is not keeping up. Best I've seen is 3kb download for the exe files and many attempts on the tasks I do get. A suggestion on this is to make the tasks bigger or bundle them to reduce the constant connections.

http://formula-boinc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=100

You could reduce the load by not sending out a 3rd task for a workunit BEFORE the previous deadlines just to later cancel that task.

https://boinc.multi-pool.info/latinsquares/workunit.php?wuid=40014965
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Message 241 - Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 7:26:02 UTC - in response to Message 240.  

Even if there is work here, the bandwidth is not keeping up. Best I've seen is 3kb download for the exe files and many attempts on the tasks I do get. A suggestion on this is to make the tasks bigger or bundle them to reduce the constant connections.

Yes, I agree that a task should be make bigger to solve problems.

If I did not see wrong, spring project are selected random, so maybe it is for this that no communication is given in time.
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Message 242 - Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 18:25:22 UTC
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We have the following results in June for the Application odlk3@home

2018-06-02 01:59 773K
2018-06-03 01:58 815K
2018-06-04 01:59 780K
2018-06-05 01:59 866K
2018-06-06 01:59 905K
2018-06-07 01:59 899K
2018-06-08 01:57 942K
2018-06-09 01:59 1.8M
2018-06-10 01:59 2.1M

I processed the results for 2018-06-10, the maximum value is 2.1 M.

This gives 24,149 unique CF ODLS!
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Message 243 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 8:10:37 UTC - in response to Message 238.  

I think that you need a simple script. Which tracks the task values. As soon as it fell below a certain value, start generating new jobs. If this happens several times a day, then increase the threshold for generating new jobs. Of course, we need the maximum limits. Then it will work dynamically.
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Message 245 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 13:07:32 UTC

The rate at which work was generated was not the only bottleneck, and perhaps not even the most important one. There were periods (and still are) when downloads or uploads or scheduler requests time out, or the scheduler responds with "cannot open database", or the server could not be reached at all.

Just stating this as a fact, not as a criticism. Clearly, distributed computing projects cannot hold infinite server and networking resources ready for every perceivable peak load.

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Today at 04:00UTC, the Formula Boinc sprint finished with these results:
http://formula-boinc.org/sprint.py?sprint=7&year=2018

All teams which are tracked by Formula Boinc completed work worth of 21.6 M points together in three days, i.e. 7.2 M / day at average.
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Message 246 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 14:48:25 UTC - in response to Message 245.  

The rate at which work was generated was not the only bottleneck, and perhaps not even the most important one. There were periods (and still are) when downloads or uploads or scheduler requests time out, or the scheduler responds with "cannot open database", or the server could not be reached at all.

Yes, all this is true.
The ODLK1 project runs on the personal server ice00.
I will note here (not as a reproach, but as a fact) that we were denied help by the server for this project in the Moscow Computer Center.
And thank very much ice00 that he provided his personal server for this project. Only thanks to ice00 the ODLK1 project took place.

Today at 04:00UTC, the Formula Boinc sprint finished with these results:
http://formula-boinc.org/sprint.py?sprint=7&year=2018

All teams which are tracked by Formula Boinc completed work worth of 21.6 M points together in three days, i.e. 7.2 M / day at average.

I think that these are good results.
Despite all the difficulties, the competition in the project was successful.
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Message 247 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 16:39:44 UTC

Along the way ...

ODLK and ODLK1 projects are loaded with work completely.

I am developing new algorithms. This makes and my colleague Belyshev regardless of me.
There are several new experiments.
Unfortunately, administrators of ODLK and ODLK1 projects do not want to run new experiments.
I am forced to perform experiments manually on my low-power PC.

In this regard, I'm looking for a server to run a new branch of the ODLK project - ODLK2.

We were much criticized for launching the ODLK1 project. But this project justified our hopes!
Now I want to run the ODLK2 project.
Criticism is not accepted. The help is needed!

Who is ready to help, write, please, PM.
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Message 248 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 16:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 245.  

The rate at which work was generated was not the only bottleneck, and perhaps not even the most important one. There were periods (and still are) when downloads or uploads or scheduler requests time out, or the scheduler responds with "cannot open database", or the server could not be reached at all.

Just stating this as a fact, not as a criticism. Clearly, distributed computing projects cannot hold infinite server and networking resources ready for every perceivable peak load.



hi,

when this happen it is because I'm doing a DB dump every 2 hours for backup porpoise that is transferred then to a removable device. During this, mysql works only for dump to keep integrity safe and so no other requests are done.

I still prefer to have often backup that no backup at all :)
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